Monday, April 16, 2012

Best possible twinked hardcore necromancer Build & Items

Hello,

I just recently picked up a new copy of D2 after having quit the game about five years ago. I was amazed to see all of the crazy new features and items introduced to the game since I left. I especially like the new re-spec feature.

I am thinking about making a Fishmancer on US-East. I want to know what YOU think the best uber twinked version of a Fishmancer should like like. I realize I won't ever get most of these items but I want to know what to shoot for. This is an all-around PvM build. My tentative proposed build and end-game items are below:

Build:

Max (In this order): Raise Skeleton; Skeleton Mastery; Corpse Explosion

1pt: All curses; Bone armor; Iron Golem; Summon Resists; Skeleton Mage;

More points as needed: Golem Mastery; Dim Vision; Amp Dmg

Items:

Shield: Stormshield + UM Switch: Spirit Monarch

Weapon: Heart of the Oak Flail Switch: CtA Flail

Helm: Shako + UM

Gloves: Trangs

Armor: Enigma Mage Plate

Amulet: Perf Mara's

Belt: T god’s

Ring one: Ravenfrost/Dwarfstar

Ring three: Wisp Project

Boots: Hotspurs

Charms: Torch; Gheeds; Anni; 5x +15 resist all grand charms; 7x +5 all resist small charms

Iron Golem made from insight

Act 2 Might Mercenary: Eth Chains of Honor; Giant Skull/Guil's face, Infinity Polearm (for conviction!)

This set-up nets the following without hellfire and anni:

Actual resistances: 232 cold/ 187 fire/167 Lightning/142 poison

Effective resistances: 75 cold/90 fire/85 lightning/75 poison



50% PDR

15% Fire Absorb/20% Cold Absorb

15-20% Lightning Absorb

Please tell me what you think. Thanks!|||Quote:










Please tell me what you think. Thanks!




Is this for all around PvM, PvUbers or pure Baal running or ?

As far as building an uber-twinked character goes, satisfying these goals is always fun:

Max Block

50% Damage Reduction

50 Damage Reduction

75% Resist all with either 125% stacked for Uber-Mephisto or 80 res all stack for conviction or just 80 light res stacked for the odd conviction gloam pack.

FHR breakpoints such that it's at or better than your FCR breakpoint to allow safe teleporting.

Extra Light Res/Lightning Absorb

Extra Fire res/Fire Absorb

Extra neat things are:

Having a ton of inventory space: 4x4 space + horadric cube

Battle Order - CTA/Barb

More +skillers.



Given the above list, here's what I'd do, just off the top of my head:

Shako +2, 10%DR, 50MF (Shael)

Enigma +2, 8%DR, ~90MF

Wizardspike +75 res all, 50%FCR (+30 Light res jewel)

Homunculus +40 res all, +skills (PDiamond for 58 res all)

Magefist +1 fire skills works for CE. Bigger CE = Awesome. Oh, and 20%FCR.

Thundergod's Vigor [Gloams will never be a problem again...]

Hotspur/Infernostride/Treks/Awesome rares/etc

This nets:

70% FCR - 11 Frame casting (You need 5 more to hit the breakpoint: FCR ring OR caster amulet)

20% FHR - 10 frame hit recovery. Next BP is +6 FHR away.

20% FBR - 8 frame blocking animation

(-100)+30[anya quest]+75+58 = 63 res all in Hell.

That's with no charms and 2 rings and the amulet slot open. Add in a decent amulet, FCR ring and another ring of whateverness and you'll easily be maxed.

Add a Hellfire Torch, Annihilarious and a few charms and you'd be lightning immune, outside of Uber Tristram.

My mercenary would use Duress, Guillaume's Face and an 'Edge' Blade Bow.

And Clay Golem, for gourd's sake.

Or something. I mean, I don't even know what I just wrote, so don't believe anything or trust anybody. You've been warned.|||Quote:








My mercenary would use Duress, Guillaume's Face and an 'Edge' Blade Bow.

And Clay Golem, for gourd's sake.




huh

Poison necros are the fastest killers if that is what you want, id go for

3/20 circ, 3/10 amu, deaths web, enigma, trang shield, trang gloves, trang belt, 2 sojs, marrowwalk; merc with infinity, andy, fort. Max poison tree, 1 lower resist, rest skele and mastery|||Quote:




huh

Poison necros are the fastest killers if that is what you want, id go for

3/20 circ, 3/10 amu, deaths web, enigma, trang shield, trang gloves, trang belt, 2 sojs, marrowwalk; merc with infinity, andy, fort. Max poison tree, 1 lower resist, rest skele and mastery




I should have been clearer: I am looking to build a Fishmancer.


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75% Resist all with either 125% stacked for Uber-Mephisto or 80 res all stack for conviction or just 80 light res stacked for the odd conviction gloam pack.

What does it mean to stack resistances? Specifically, what do you mean when you say 80 res stacked for conviction?




I edited my proposed build and items after doing a little research last night--take a look if you'd like. Thanks!|||Quote:








huh





It seems like you don't enjoy the same choice as I. It must be a tough world.


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What does it mean to stack resistances? Specifically, what do you mean when you say 80 res stacked for conviction?




Conviction takes your resists down. It's a debuff aura. The max it can do to your character, outside of Uber Tristram, is -80 resist all. You can stack resists against this so that you're always maxed in every resist, or you can focus on the element that would likely kill you: lightning, like from burning souls/black souls/gloams.

Your revised build looks fine.

Rings: Anything could go there. Ravenfrost and Dwarf/Wisp aren't really going to save you either way. Some nice rare rings would probably do more for ya.

Also, the maxed 85 lightning resist and point based lightning absorb on Thundergod's Vigor is way better than the percentage based absorb on the Wisp Projector. The belt offers all you'll ever need.

Iron Golem - If you can bother dealing with it, an 'Insight' IG is pretty nifty. It'll suck when it dies; you'll just have to keep making them because they seem to poof or die in strange ways, out of nowhere.

I'm probably the wrong type for 'uber builds'. Where are all of the power-gamers at?|||Quote:




Ravenfrost and Dwarf/Wisp aren't really going to save you either way. Some nice rare rings would probably do more for ya.




I don't see how they could hurt. I'd prefer them over SoJ's for survivability reasons.|||I can definately say it is one of the best Magic finders you can make. I had one similiar at the end of the last ladder but I focused on the "Lord of Mages" build which is essentially what you have here but you need to max Skeleton mages to take advantage of the Infinty.. And yes they can kill in Hell mode. I maxxed Mages and Skeletons and 1 point in Revives. You'll still have over 30 minions and the Insight Iron Golem is nice but you need to Bump his life by placing points in Golem Mastery and some in Iron Golem or he'll die. Good thing is roons drop like flies now so making a new Insight golem is not going to be hard. And unless you are planning on Uber Tristing this is all overkill as this guy can complete the game and magic find neked. Put on as much Mf equipement as you like and go everywhere. Id Mf everywhere with mine. With Enigma its almost impossible to get killed teleporting with 30 minions as they cannot target you when you finally land.

Im working on my new one as wel but Ive got a loooong way to go...|||Here is what my Single Player MF summoner wears:

Gear:

Weapon: Gull Dagger - 10% mf jewel (110% mf)

Shield: Rhyme Preserved Head - Yep, 5 defense (25% mf)

Helm: Harlequin - Ptopaz (74% mf)

Armour: 'Wealth' Dusk Shroud (100% mf)

Belt: Goldwrap - Upped for an extra row of pots (30% mf)

Gloves: Chance Guards (37% mf)

Boots: War Traveler (49% mf)

Ammy: (Magic) +8 Resist all, +21% mf

Ring: Nagel (22% mf)

Ring: Nagel (24% mf)

Merc:

Might

Weapon: 'Insight' Thresher (23% mf)

Armour: 'Gemmed' Gothic Place - 4 Ptopaz (96% mf)

Helm: 'Gemmed' Superior Helm - 2 Ptopaz (48% mf)

My point?

You don't really need to twink summoner necros that much!

Everyone else has posted sound advise, which I don't really need to add to. So I just wanted to make sure you realize that you shouldn't spend too much time planning gear and remind you to go and actually PLAY!

Besides, if you haven't played the game for 5 years, you will probably die anyway... so might as well get it over with! :P

-hps|||My necro is now level 31 and is looking to take on baal.

He is definitely not twinked. My account name is *KavnSardetta on US East HCL if you'd like to talk to me in-game.|||Here's what my level 73 necro wears right now:

Shield: Stormshield

Weapon: Perf Heart of the Oak Flail/Switch: CtA Flail

Helm: Shako + Lo

Gloves: Trang's

Armor: Enigma Mage Plate

Amulet: Perf Mara's

Belt: T god’s

Ring one: Dwarfstar

Ring two: Wisp Projector

Boots: Upped Hotspurs

Charms: 5x +15 resist all grand charms; 7x +5 all resist small charms

Iron Golem made from meatscraper

Act 2 Might Mercenary: Eth Chains of Honor; Guil's face, Insight Eth Cryptic Axe

He has maxed RS, SM and almost maxed CE. His resists are 90/75/90/50 right now and he is in act 2 hell.

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