i am scared!

Hello hardcore players...

just recently i started a new paladin on the EU HC ladder... but i am so scared! i dont want to die! i am building an avenger (i know not the best solo class but its pretty safe if you ask me) i have no points wasted yet... going fully untwinked means i have to stand by my self and going for max resists seemed a good idea in that case!

Are there any other hints you guys can give me? Before i end up as a level 17 ghost figure?

Thanks in advance!

BKC|||99% of what will kill you is:

1) dolls (they always explode on death and deal dmg based on HP, so careful with 8 player games). act 3 durance lvl 2 norm nm hell, act 5 throne room nm hell.

2) iron maiden if ur melee. act 4 and act 5 lvl 3 WS K.

3) tppk|||Imho I'd ditch the whole Avenger idea for an untwinked char and go for a Zealer if you wanna do the pally thing. I tried an untwinked avenger once and it was SUPER slow going.

Frost Zealer is ideal for safety imho, but will slow down considerably once you hit Hell mode. But to get him going just get something with some crushing blow (crushflange will get you to hell mode easily) and start whacking the moles. Bit of salvation and you're gonna be alright. IM is a no brainer because of the low dmg on the flange, Salvation will get you through the nasty gloam moments. Imho the only real dangers are FE/LE or FE/CE dudes.

Just my $0.02 though.|||a zealer was my original thought... but i was scared i would IM/zeal myself to pieces which i didnt want to happen!

thanks for the feedback so far guys!

(other suggestions are welcome still but the hammerdin is a no go for me)|||Wind druid, the dolls explisions shouldnt really effect you since the dolls should die before they reach your body.



A cold sorc could be a good idea if goign untwicked since you can do lots of damage once you are level 18.|||You are expected to be scared. Death lies anywhere in HC! Especially those darn TPPK-ers ...|||but those tppk'ers will not enter my game i play only passworded games

i am going to stick with the avenger idea it might not be the strongest of the builds but it certainly is viable enough to clear the whole game (slow maybe, but steady!)

Thanks for all the other suggestions!|||I have one last tip for you:

Be ready... one day you will loose the character, unless you are extremely lucky or skillfull.|||Quote:








I have one last tip for you:

Be ready... one day you will loose the character, unless you are extremely lucky or skillfull.




Yeah, to live is to die.

Level up without a rush. Some super uniques and act bosses deal lots of damage, especially if your level is too low.

Be extra careful with FE mobs in NM and hell.|||Quote:








but those tppk'ers will not enter my game i play only passworded games

i am going to stick with the avenger idea it might not be the strongest of the builds but it certainly is viable enough to clear the whole game (slow maybe, but steady!)

Thanks for all the other suggestions!




Why bothering being in Battle.Net then?! You can do that in Single Player as well ... HC wouldn't be HC without the Thrill! I love the game of Cat and Mouse and vice versa!

Most unique untwinked build? ... viable too

We all know about fishy necs and meteorbs... what about some other builds that are pretty good untwinked and viable? I've been getting really bored lately with the same old builds and I want something challenging yet productive. I know that might not be possible but any creative ideas you guys give i'll probably try. and remember... i usually start characters untwinked.

so anyone have any ideas?|||I'd refer you to:

http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/s...d.php?t=734413

Has some very good ideas..

Iam currently going for a Ranged paladin with Holy fire/Fantasm and a zealot/conversion thingy going on.... I'll see how I make it.|||oh ya.. a ranger! that is definitely one i wanted to try on hc.|||Quote:








We all know about fishy necs and meteorbs... what about some other builds that are pretty good untwinked and viable? I've been getting really bored lately with the same old builds and I want something challenging yet productive. I know that might not be possible but any creative ideas you guys give i'll probably try. and remember... i usually start characters untwinked.

so anyone have any ideas?




I would recommend a pheonix striker assassin. I played one in 1.09 to lv 99 and I also have one now who is currently lv 81. I heard that they don't kill that well in hell games with a lot of characters, so I decided to remake mine. And she kicks ***! (I have an infinity on my merc though).

I think if you played one untwinked you would have fun and it would be challenging. I mainly like them because there are so many spells going on when you fight. Also, you have burst of speed which will help you get a fast attack speed or there is also fade which provides phys dmg redux as well as tons of resists.|||i've been playing this game for a while and have yet to get an assassin past lvl 20. maybe with some more focus i'll try that build. phnx strike looks interesting too...|||Hydra sorc with Orb or Lightning as backup for fire immunes.

-hps|||No doubt about it, solo plying through the game on a Static Enchantress is the way to go. In the immortal words of monster truck voice over guy "you'll pay for the whole seat but you'll only need the edge..."

Seriously though, few things get the blood pumping like running circles around half-life Blood Lords in hell while your level 12 unsynergized Hydra pecks at them... It can be pretty viable if you plan for solo play, but that's no fun. Go for a purely support build and solo with it.

Or if not, I'd suggest a Dim Vision/Confuse/Attract Poison Dagger Necromancer. I beat Hell with one last year and aside from the tedium it was quite a hoot. Other fun options include a Convertadin (can be really funny with the Cloak of Shadows charges from Nadir) or a Hydra/Thunderstorm hybrid. The hybrid is a delicate build, relying heavily on a Holy Freeze mercenary and GSpike/Ice Blast/FNova spam to keep your targets relatively stationary. Not as powerful as your classic FWall/Cold Sorceress but gives you a perverse sense of accomplishment. The skill points are tight and the playstyle takes a bit of getting used to as well.

Cheers

-Tai|||The soloing static enchantress sounds very unique! I just started a nova/meteor sorc though which will almost certainly end in an epic fail.|||one thing that could be fun would be a cleric built paladin, you rely on your party to kill for you but g ood luck in nightmare with no pub games.|||Quote:








so anyone have any ideas?




Hmmm.... healer paladin, what about UNhealer and let merc kill.

Unhealers:

Assasin with bow or Necro with bow are both nice.

Try to get poison/monster cannot heal/open wounds for your char. Edge is good enough bow. Venom has too short duration, so don't use that.

Use max corpse explosion/death sentry kill groups.

Max gumby or max shadow mastery for tank.

Use rogue merc (wws, harmony, edge etc...) to help killing the first one.

Kuko is nice option too for both chars, but edge is much easier for untwinked.

For bosses, use resist shield and any crushing blow weapon, even strength runeword (amn tir).



Edge 3 Socket Missile Weapons (Tir + Tal + Amn)

-------------------

Level 15 Thorns Aura When Equipped

+35% Increased Attack Speed

+320-380% Damage To Demons (varies)

+280% Damage To Undead

+75 Poison Damage Over 5 Seconds

7% Life Stolen Per Hit

Prevent Monster Heal

+5-10 To All Attributes (varies)

+2 To Mana After Each Kill

Reduces All Vendor Prices 15%!!!*

Both poison and prevent monster heal, so its good start. Shoot same monster as you merc, you prevent monster to heal, rogue is your main killer.



Angelic ring+amu, Hsaru's boots+belt or Sigon helmet+gloves are all nice for ar boost. Even without those, you change to hit is good enough for unhealing purpose.

HC Barb Tank: main attack?

Hi All,

I've reloaded D2 on my new PC and am casually dipping into HC while waiting for the patch. I'll be playing a barb with two other friends (they will be a summoning nec and a LF javazon).

This will be UNTWINKED and I'd like to be a decent tank, while still being able to kill some stuff on my own should I need to. What should I build? Conc? WW? Berserk?

Also, any other advice for barbs in HC? I typically never play barbs except for singers. Thanks in advance for your advice/opinions.



-f|||Personally I am a big fan of concentrate. The only problem you will really have is finding a good weapon for damage, and AR. AR issues are solved by angelics combo (Ring + amulet), and those can be farmed from normal meph easily.

As for the weapon, in the later levels an eth oath scourge or balrog blade is always a good choice. ^^|||Frenzy is a good tank. High speed + high leech works very well. Make liberal use of War Cry and Battle Cry.|||Thanks for your replies so far. I like frenzy (fun skill!) but am kind of worried about survival in hell without a shield - seems more reliant on good gear. And what about when you run into unleechable enemies (e.g. skeles)? Since this is untwinked, I don't see it as a good tank build. Maybe i'm way off base though.

Concentrate looks cool - I've read that it's good, and I've also read that it's slow as hell and a bore to play. Might be good enough with the necromancer's amp dmg though.

No votes for sword/shield whirlwind? is that too dangerous in HC play?

So far I'm thinking either pure concentrate/defensive tank:

• 20 concentrate


• 20 mastery


• 20 shout


• 20 BO


• 5 nat res

or whirlwind/conc hybrid:

• 20 concentrate


• 10 mastery


• 10 shout


• 20 BO


• 20 whirlwind


• 5 nat res

Thoughts?|||Sword Shield ww only effect with super good runeword like breath of dying or last wish. Other wise in hell you just suck.

Then again you need a melee weapon that is extremely good.

I have a lance ww barb and that requires exceptionally great gear plus charms to do very well.

But basically common since would suggest the following fora barb

Max weapon mastery

max main attack--- ww, con, beskerk, frenz

max shout

max Battle orders

enough dex for max block if going shield so 150 base dex

strength enough for gear, since untwicked its probable that you will do 100 hard points into strength.|||Whirlwind or War cry. the latter being probably the best "tank" but the former offering far better killing speeds.

HC Hammerdin

Hey all,

I've just recentely started playing d2 again, and i've rolled up some hammerdins. Problem is, I've now lost two of them. I searched through quite a few guides, and while they provide a good summary of gear choices and how to spend talent/character points, they don't really give a good idea of how to play the hammerdin.

My question is this: Am I more like a caster utilizing hit and run tactics with my hammers? Or can I be a decent tank, and stand right up in the middle of things?

Any responses are really appreciated .|||Quote:








Hey all,

I've just recentely started playing d2 again, and i've rolled up some hammerdins. Problem is, I've now lost two of them. I searched through quite a few guides, and while they provide a good summary of gear choices and how to spend talent/character points, they don't really give a good idea of how to play the hammerdin.

My question is this: Am I more like a caster utilizing hit and run tactics with my hammers? Or can I be a decent tank, and stand right up in the middle of things?

Any responses are really appreciated .




That again is a question of Gear.

I usally lure my enemies into my hammer field.... and when meet by ranged enemies charge up to em and begin hammering. I usually have a Holy Freeze merc.. though a prayer merc /w insight is perfectly viable.

I prefer Holy Freeze when I don't have good gear though.

Holy freeze allows me to tank abit and is a great help by slowing enemies down. Allows you to react when the Cursed Fast Ghosts come flying down over ya.

1pt both redemption and salvation, for saftey and Corpse removal + mana.

I go for max block... usually try to put a few points into HS either by raw skill points OR scepter on switch. Both are viable. But max block is Vital for surival, and the defense bonus doesn't hurt either.

You don't need alot into STR.. so go for the standard max block rest vitae route.|||Quote:








Hey all,

I've just recentely started playing d2 again, and i've rolled up some hammerdins. Problem is, I've now lost two of them. I searched through quite a few guides, and while they provide a good summary of gear choices and how to spend talent/character points, they don't really give a good idea of how to play the hammerdin.

My question is this: Am I more like a caster utilizing hit and run tactics with my hammers? Or can I be a decent tank, and stand right up in the middle of things?

Any responses are really appreciated .




I'm no hammeradin expert, so if someone comes and contradicts me, you should listen to them.... but

You have no leech, so imo, you're a caster. You have to get in the middle of things to put up a hammer field, but if it gets thick, you'd better have an escape route.

A really good tank would leech more life back faster if lots of monsters showed up... you will not.

-hps|||I agree with everything Rawness has said, no need to repeat it. The key is knowing which monsters you can tank safely, and which ones to treat more carefully: dolls, vipers (anything with charge really, it applies to Pindleskin and friends too), specials with dangerous mods and the like... letting your merc do the tanking for you is generally a good idea, the few hammerdins I've lost it's been because of rushing ahead of the merc and meeting something I couldn't quite handle by myself, having patience is key to surviving. Good luck!

Searching for friends on HC Europe Ladder

Hi,

I'm looking for people to play with who likes this game as much as I do.

I'm sick of ttpkers and just wanna do private password games.. but well

all alone is boring in the game.. so if there are more people on Europe

hardcore ladder who wants to play with me.. mule... trade.. chat..

let me know... would be cool especially when patch 1.13 is out..

ps I'm from Holland btw..

regards,

Rob|||Hey,

I am looking for some players to go hardcore untwinked, but interested in any other general play as well. whisper me acc nnevermann|||I'll be your friend. I've been thinking about the same thing. I'm sick of people ruining pub games.

My acc is leifarne|||Since you are HC Europe realm I suggest to try to apply for the Gauss channel. Which is a channel for playing passworded, (tp)pk free games. Check out the Gauss thread in this HC forum to find out more. You will need someone to vouch for you, to be able to join though. You can whisper me on *rogier1.13 if you want my vouch. (I am not always online, only some evenings)|||Quote:








Since you are HC Europe realm I suggest to try to apply for the Gauss channel. Which is a channel for playing passworded, (tp)pk free games. Check out the Gauss thread in this HC forum to find out more. You will need someone to vouch for you, to be able to join though. You can whisper me on *rogier1.13 if you want my vouch. (I am not always online, only some evenings)




risky to vouch for people you dont even know

at least play with them for some time before vouching |||OK I added Zoid and Gibitam, hope we can have some good games.

Gibitam I have just applied on the Gauss channel. Would you like to play some games with me? Then maybe I could get a vouch from you |||Quote:








risky to vouch for people you dont even know

at least play with them for some time before vouching




I am not as stupid as you think, I left him my account so we could play a bit together, so I might vouch for him.|||hey guys thanks for the replies.. i will add you.. hope to play with you soon..

cheers,

Rob|||hi rob, just started playing hc myself this weekend, got a low lvl soso for starters and still looking for people to play with, if intrested whisp me: *ReDCell_I

cheers|||I added a few of you too. I'm a Gauss member, I might be able to vouch for you.

My account is *Honorable

I'm always game to play.

Hardcore communities

I'm looking to play Hc a bit untill the ladder reset. Just looking for a channel to do safe baalruns/diaruns and stuff like that and maybe some rushes. Anyone know a few and perhaps can send me an invite? ( i'm not an active player though, I'm busy with school nowadays )

Op gauss is no option unfortunetly it seems ( entered the channel before I was registered so I got banned :P )|||Quote:








I'm looking to play Hc a bit untill the ladder reset. Just looking for a channel to do safe baalruns/diaruns and stuff like that and maybe some rushes. Anyone know a few and perhaps can send me an invite? ( i'm not an active player though, I'm busy with school nowadays )

Op gauss is no option unfortunetly it seems ( entered the channel before I was registered so I got banned :P )




Hm, if you read the info and made a complete post you would be a gauss member already. |||Quote:








Hm, if you read the info and made a complete post you would be a gauss member already.




the man maks a point. I'll vouch for any active diii forum member. message me on *adam_adam and i'll get you sorted out.

The I found a WHAT?? thread: Ladder Season 5

And so we have a new patch and ladder , perhaps we need a new thread as well ??

I found a nice 2os / +2 barb skills / +2 Natural Resists / couple other useless mods Rare Hat from Baal ..

Still no nice sorc itmes but Im only level 35 ..

|||Found Maelstrom + Hsarus shield the first day.. Maelstrom was nice for my sork with 30 FCR and 40 LR.. but I ripped

My new FA/LF/CS ama is now lvl 40, with all the craps you can get! |||I found. A sol rune. Then made a 12 Insight Poleaxe. Sigh. The hunt continues for more Sol runes.

Dave, are you online?

Add and harass *Socialism , dammit.|||Lucky you dude, my poor lil level 21 Hammerdin shoots about 5 pathetic hammers before running out of mana...any Insight would be a bonus to me right now! |||Well, it was all from the CTA group, so not just my find:

200% Tgods

Duriel's Shell

2 Whistan's

Vampire Gaze

Magefist's

All very good drops to me, even moreso in the first day of the ladder. There is more, but i'll leave it at that for now.|||I seem to be swamped with clegclaw shields! Weird....|||Rockstopper. Enough said.

2x Valkyrie wing (both +2)|||First unique drop since the restart: Dimoak's Hew. That could have been worse...|||Just found a Cat's Eye amulet from norm Baal.

Best thing that's dropped for me so far.|||Found Clegclaws gloves... now I knock unfreezable things back as well.. brilliant.

And I was questing with Rlpper from Op gauss in A2 when an unique ring dropped.. I was thinkin like "ye another manald" I went to town and ID'ed it..











Nagel 17%! Better luck next time I guess.